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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.15 18:10:00 -
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The pre-launch thread is located here. The Stage 1 thread is located here. The prospectus is located over there, and in these posts for those who don't like the PDF format.
BIG BOLD LETTERS
Stage 2 Par Value: 1,000,000 isk Stage 1 Reserved: 4,000/25,000
The current size of Stage 2 is determined by three factors:- The cost of current bulk-delivery contracts, carried out over a month
- Forward-looking estimates of the future values for #1
- 10b for market speculation and investment
The factor that's (probably) going to get the most attention is the market speculation. Here's the theory. Due to the glories of the Margin Trading skill, not just our isk need, but our isk USE spikes when our orders are filled and we're about to produce the modules, and then rapidly declines. Similarly, our isk usage spikes higher, and then is brought down by a freighter/industrial run to grab up all the meltable loot we've bought. There's around 10b isk that will be in use continuously to feed our compression and decompression core business. Another 5b will be needed at peak times.
Rather than let 5b sit idle, I can work with the market to generate return on the isk. Doing so, however, can mean holding stock for periods longer than the frequency of isk-usage spikes. 10b set aside for market manipulation covers that. Additionally, that gives us room to grow--looking six months or a year down the road, I can scale back market activities to keep (de)compression activities running at full speed.
Enough about the budget, through. Let's talk brass tacks. The first TINY. shares sold out in less than six hours. I feel that wasn't fair to other investors who might have wanted in on these shares at IPO prices. For that reason, no reservations will be accepted prior to 00:00 EVE Time. You may note that 4,000 shares are already reserved. I reserved those early for myself, because I'm special*.
At this time, I am buying back TINY. shares in any quantity at 949,999.99 isk apiece.
MP
*: I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and goshdarnit, people like me!
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.15 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Votee Can you provide some information about the current operations, eg. profit, dividend etc.
regards, Votee
Month 1 was used to get characters bought, skills trained, BPO's whipped into shape, and to get some copies run off of them. As it is, several BPO's will still be in research for another two or three days. There are no profits or dividends from Month 1; I'm sure if I did a full accounting of assets, I'd find that we took a (small) net loss for the month due to fees.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Motivated Prophet on 15/02/2007 22:22:06
Originally by: Jon Asus What precautions are there to stop the shares selling out apart from waiting until 00.00 eve time?
Sorry, there are none. Treat it like an auction where you want to snipe-bid right at the end, except here, you want to snipe-bid at the beginning! 
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:19:00 -
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Naate, I'll put you down for the full 300.
M, I've got BPO's in research now for you, and others are copying. Buy orders for minerals went up last night.
This post will be my official reservation of 4,000 shares for myself.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Auri Hella I must be stupid, but could you post the character the money needs to be sent to? I couldn't find it myself. Probably because it's past 1 AM and I'm tired (but I wanted in on this one so I have only myself to blame).
Oops, thank you! ISK to Massive Prophet, please (check the spelling and check the corp before you send it!). If you've already sent isk to Motivated, no worries, I'll transfer it over.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:03:00 -
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All paid-for shares have been transferred.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Proton Power stated that he thought your second IPO was suspicious and if you did another IP he would be "seriously worried".
Would here care to comment?
Personally, I have serious doubts about your integrity as it is. This does not bode well for my apprehension. Seriously, why are you people throwing your money at this. It has all the markings of a ponzai scheme.
What the hell? He stated he was concerned if I started up another corp after these two, because he didn't think I could run more than these two. Go back and read my original prospectus; this Stage 2 funding was planned and public at the time he made that statement.
Also, it's Ponzi, not ponzai. Named after Charles Ponzi. There's an excellent Wikipedia article.
If you'd like to question my guy in charge of buying for the company whether or not we're a legitimate business, I can arrange a meeting. If you'd like to ask one of the major investors with Junior Accountant access to ZERO.'s wallet to perform an audit, that's fine. If you feel the need to do a complete search going back three months on all my transactions that aren't directly logged in the journal (such as the data interface one), I can give you names and timestamps from my chat and contract logs.
But if you'd like to complain simply because I'm starting up a second enterprise? If you feel the need to accuse me of being a Ponzi scheme when a half-dozen people can PROVE that ZERO. is making money, and at least two of the investors in TINY. have seen the BPO's in research? If you continually claim that Proton Power is my alt, and then use his statements to attack me? If you want to do any or all of that, I have a request: go away.
Summary: Investigation, audit, and suspicion? Trust but verify? Great. Misinformed speculation, ad hominem, and misquoting? Unacceptable.
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Making a profit and running a legit business is not proof your are not a scam. Its not black and white like that.
You accused me of being a Ponzi scheme. I am clearly, PROVEABLY, not. If you'd like to say that I will take the money and run tomorrow, then say that. Don't call me a Ponzi when elementary investigation would show that that assertion is incorrect.
Originally by: Shin Ra For all my suspicions about Proton, he at least handles my criticism well while has put my mind at ease. Your reply just worries me.
You are neither a customer, nor, AFAIK, an investor. You have chosen not to use the "questions, comments and concerns go here!" pre-launch of my IPO to voice your concerns, instead attacking the active thread. I gave in to you once before, and posted the BIG BOLD LETTERS in both my Stage 1 and Stage 2 IPO threads. My patience for your trolling is at an end. Post elsewhere.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: TheDevilsJury I may be blind because I can't find this anywhere, but what is the expected dividend, when will it start and how often will it be paid?
This dividend will be paid monthly. I'll hit the button on or around the 15th, so that I have plenty of time to recover from the ZERO. inventory I have to do at the start of each month. As to expected dividends, those depend entirely on the number of orders I have and the success of my market manipulation. Furthermore, they may range wildly from month to month--if I sell something in June at twice the price I bought it in January, because of the way I do my accounting, that's a huge cash influx.
Now, all that said, keep in mind that I'm probably going to be the biggest single shareholder in this venture; if the dividends aren't up to snuff, I'll start calling for new management. 
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.18 15:12:00 -
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All pending shares have been transferred, original post will be updated in 3... 2... 1....
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.19 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Motivated Prophet on 19/02/2007 23:39:57
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd at 1m/share, put me down for 50 shares. i'll send you the isk when i log on tonight (unless the wife distracts me and i forget, in which case, it might be a tad later tonight).
will this phase 2 continue until around 10b is raised?
Phase 2 will stay open until the entirety of the allocated IPO block has been sold.
Edit: And in the meantime, any dividends that are paid prior to a sell-out will be rolled back into the corp.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.20 18:02:00 -
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Shares transferred. 
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.24 15:31:00 -
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Invasion of the NPC-corp investors! 
All paid-for shares have been transferred. 
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.27 16:00:00 -
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All paid-for shares transferred. Still looking for isk to fulfill commitments from: Executive P Dalknor Ithilistar Pang Grohl Obijameskenobi
If you've already transferred isk and are on this list, please let me know so I can go back through my logs.
And remember, if your corporation or alliance needs to move lots of minerals around, send 'em our way!
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power When do I get my shares? PP has not received any yet and I sent you 500bil isk like you asked.
I don't know if you forgot--or if you're just being an ass--but, regardless, you asked me to transfer the shares to DG, not PP.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.02.28 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Quinton McTish Is there a minimum amount of shares you can purchase?
I'm relatively new to the game, but it's stuff like this that I really started playing EVE for to begin with.
That being said, I don't have a whole lot of ISK... but enough to purchase maybe 5 or so shares.
Be gentle with the laughter. :)
While I am happy to take on investors of any size, please remember the old canard--only invest what you can afford to lose. If you have 5m to invest, you're often better off investing it in yourself and your own advancement than in an IPO.
All that said, if you've done a level-headed evaluation of your financial circumstances and still want to invest, it'd be my pleasure to send 5 shares your way. Without even a hint of laughter. 
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.03.01 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: allanvv Could I get 300mil in shares?
Yep, just transfer 300m to Massive Prophet and I'll get you those shares.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.03.06 01:47:00 -
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All share transfers are now up-to-date.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.03.07 14:47:00 -
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All transfers are up-to-date.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.03.09 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 09/03/2007 14:59:49
Originally by: Motivated Prophet Edited by: Motivated Prophet on 19/02/2007 23:39:57
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd at 1m/share, put me down for 50 shares. i'll send you the isk when i log on tonight (unless the wife distracts me and i forget, in which case, it might be a tad later tonight).
will this phase 2 continue until around 10b is raised?
Phase 2 will stay open until the entirety of the allocated IPO block has been sold.
Edit: And in the meantime, any dividends that are paid prior to a sell-out will be rolled back into the corp.
MP
MP: Would it not be an idea to maybe re-adjust this? I mean with the current level of investment activity getting another 15k shares sold could take quite a while, meanhile no dividens? Also if the dividens are relatively high this may, in turn, attract new investors to fill the remaining 15k shares faster?
Sorry if I was unclear.
Dividends *will* be paid. The only portion of isk that investors will not see is that which would go to unsold shares. That isk will stay in the corp wallet, raising the base value of all shares (both sold and unsold).
The other two options I can see are to have the corp purchase shares in itself, or to modify the dividend in such a way that unsold shares are not paid. If one of these other options--or some fourth option I had not considered--has the support of the community, I'd be happy to do that, instead.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.03.12 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Win Otherwise when TINY. created the 25,000 shares then suddenly the company magically gained 25bil in assets.
For purposes of my accounting, it did.
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd you guys could always just start a new thread, maybe even copy some of the posts from this one, and have it just be on the ins and outs of what you're discussing and how it practically applies in the eve universe, versus what we see irl.
I'd read it.
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd i might've missed it; but, when do we get our shares? when all of them are sold?
I show your shares as being transferred:
paid XXEzoran DuBlaidd - 50 Do you not have them? If not, I'll need to bring in the GM's to trace them down. Everyone else should have theirs.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.03.16 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Auri Hella I was glad to see dividends coming in today. However I'm slightly alarmed at them being only 0.5%. Should the investors be alarmed or is this just a small dividend because operations are still being setup properly?
I screwed up. Absolute dividends should have been 350m; since the corp holds 50%+1 of the shares, the paid dividend should have been 700,010,000 isk. A second dividend has been issued. My apologies. 
Multiple issues held down dividends this month. I'll try to list some of them.
TINY. had just begun large-scale production of propellant injection vents. I need to take stock of what's building and what's on the market, but I estimate a direct loss of at least 300m from this change, with additional losses related to the devaluation of stockpiled rig components.
Capitalization has been slow to materialize. While there have been a few sniffs, no large-scale (3b+) commitments have been made as of yet. This has cramped my ability to aggressively move into markets.
There haven't been a whole lot of compression orders coming in. Again, if you know a group in need of very-large-scale mineral deliveries--lowends, highends, or a mix--let me know!
For approximately a week, TINY. was without a great deal of leadership while I dealt with some issues relating to my grandmother's sickness. I appreciate all of your comments on the thread about that, so I won't drag it back in here, other than to say, thank you for understanding.
By the very nature of market speculation, if I buy something now for 50m expecting it to be worth 100m in three months, the first and second months are going to have suboptimal RoI. I'm not sure there's a way around this one, to be honest; the first month in any business like this will be a little rocky as a result.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:04:00 -
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All transfers are up-to-date.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.04.03 18:29:00 -
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All share transfers are now up-to-date. I'll update the first post showing number of available shares, and answer any other questions on the thread, once the servers settle down a bit tonight.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.04.05 17:09:00 -
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All transfers are up-to-date, first post has been updated.
Originally by: Kua Immortal Just found this which kind of answers my question, I know it depends on a lot of things, but what would be a top (what you hope for and if conditions go your way is achievable) and bottom (what is possible if things do not pan out as intended) estimate for the average dividend you expect to pay out over the next year. This might not be written in good economospeak, but I'm pretty sure it makes sense :).
It made perfect sense to me! 
I'm giving out exactly ZERO profit estimates. You can beat me with birch switches, you can hire mercs to attack me, you can insult my mom--I don't care, I refuse to estimate returns. I will commit to trying to keep them above 0%. If you want them higher, send me compressed mineral orders, sell me stuff below mins cost, and play into my sinister--I mean, inherently and irrepressibly benevolent--market manipulations.
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.04.14 15:36:00 -
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Share transfers are up-to-date.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.04.16 09:16:00 -
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Total profits for the last month were something on the order of 40m isk. I'm not going to insult my shareholders by paying that out. Anyway, it's needed to finance this month, the highlight of which is a SIX BILLION isk contract. The Veldspar won't know what's hit it!
Meantime, sorry for the dividend drought, but as I've said all along, this is a long-term investment, and things are sure looking up for next month! 
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.04.21 19:04:00 -
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That's my bad, guys. That account got disabled when its GTC ran out, and I kept getting distracted from renewing it. I've reactivated it for three months with my credit card now, and I'm sending out shares as I write this.
Again, my apologies for the slowness.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Motivated Prophet my credit card
They let you have a credit card?
Remind me to pod you. 
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.04.27 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Angelus Damelon MP, are you still buying back shares at 949,999.99 per? If so, I'd like to sell back my 100 shares in order to rustle up some spare ISK. Feel free to contact me via Eve-mail or convo. Thanks.
Of course! Just transfer the shares to Massive Prophet and send an EVEMail to this character, and I'll send the isk. :)
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.04.27 18:45:00 -
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Share transfers are up-to-date.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.05.04 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cerwyn Taraman
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Angelus Damelon MP, are you still buying back shares at 949,999.99 per? If so, I'd like to sell back my 100 shares in order to rustle up some spare ISK. Feel free to contact me via Eve-mail or convo. Thanks.
Of course! Just transfer the shares to Massive Prophet and send an EVEMail to this character, and I'll send the isk. :)
MP
Not to hijack but I did this on April 27th, transferred you 150 shares and eve-mailed Motivated Prophet but haven't heard back from you yet. Hopefully you are just busy just making sure you were aware of the transfer.
Thanks, Cerwyn
Isk transferred to you both.
This share issue is sold out. Go go gadget Investors, with a capital "I"! 
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Motivated Prophet
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Posted - 2007.05.04 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: La Bete MP,
I have not yet got the shares requested. I have send isk. Perhaps you could go over your records again?
I can't find a record of this transfer. Can you give me an exact date/time of your transfer from your wallet?
I have reserved 30 shares for you in the meantime.
MP
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